[Scorpion] Saint Bryan Reese est notre sauveur !

[Bayushi Ju]

Palace of Crimson Shadows

Emma-O's Guidance

War of Dark Fire

3 Border Village
2 Counting House
2 My Father's Shrine
2 Deeds and Words
2 Debt Collector
3 Geisha House
1 Traveling Peddler

Bayushi Hisoka exp
3 Bayushi Jutsushi
3 Bayushi Komiya
3 Bayushi Shigeru
3 Soshi Yoshihara
3 Tsudo no Oni
3 Utogu no Oni
Bayushi Paneki
Yogo Kazunori
Soshi Miroki

3 Ambush
3 Outer Walls
3 Pull the String
3 Settling the Homeless
3 Unfortunate Incident
3 Discretionary Valor
3 Enticement
3 Power Corrupting
3 Impossible Force
3 Test of Sincerity
3 Reinforce the Gates
3 The Direct Approach

Ring of the Void
Ring of Water

2 Walking the Way

Trouvé sur les fora AEG.

[Bayushi Ju]

Franchement, là, ça me dépasse !
Soit il ne joue que contre des Noobs, soit il invoque la turbo-chatte à chaque partie, soit je suis un demeuré profond et je ne sais pas jouer à L5R.

Le deck est super cher, le schéma de thunes est vraiment pas terrible.
Il dit qu'il peut gagner au militaire et au désho. Je veux bien mais contre des buses qui ne font pas Seppuku alors !
3 Impossible Force pour 6 mecs à 7F+, 5 cartes nécessitant des Shugs pour... 5 Shugs.
Plein de flottante... C'est vrai personne ne joue Determined Force ni Height of Courage ni Hold! ni ... bon j'arrête !
Enfin de toute façon les joueurs Scorpion ne savent pas jouer ^^
Aidez-moi !

[Moto Yoee]

Kazunori, c'est quand même un peu le Furumaro du pauvre. Ok il est immortel, mais avec 3F il ne fait pas peur à grand monde.

Sinon, les onis sont là parce qu'ils sont obligatoires en Scorpion pour développer de la force, Paneki pareil. Le reste ressemble quand même vachement à un deck désho, donc si tu ne vois pas un oni vite fait, t'as du mal à arracher une province (surtout avec des mecs comme Jutsushi, Komiya ou Yoshihara.

Enfin bref, un deck "à la Reese".

[Bayushi Ju]

Bah avec seulement 6 cartes de pertes d'honneur dans le Fate, je n'appelle pas ça un deck désho moi.
En baston il faut les Onis c'est clair. D'ailleurs il joue 3 Reinforce histoire d'être sûr de caser un kill ! (LA bonne idée)
Après si tu tombes contre un mec à 8PS t'es un peu mal quand même... (on me souffle dans l'oreillette que c'est le cas des Crab, des Mantis, des Spider, de certains Dragon...)

[Hojyn]

Moi je suis curieux de savoir comment il gagne au désho. Faut vraiment que l'autre joue comme une buse et laisse tous ses mecs déshonorés mourir en bataille. Il n'a quasiment rien en Fate pour faire perdre de l'honneur... Contre un Spider, un Mantis ou un Scorp à la rigueur, avec Jutsushi + 3 Unfortunate. Mais sinon...

Contre un militaire j'imagine que ça peut passer sur un malentendu (Jutsushi arrive vite, suivi de Komiya et d'un Oni de préférence, avec une petite Ambush dans la main en priant pour que l'autre ne joue pas de renvois/kills) , mais là encore, en-dehors des Oni, de Paneki et de Settling, il n'a aucune action de Battle. Ah si, le RoW, pardon ! C'est bien gentil de buter un mec avec Tsudo, mais si c'est pour passer 15 fois derrière et regarder son armée partir en fumée, je vois pas trop l'intérêt.

Et puis comme dit Ju, LE gros mystère c'est de savoir comment il pète les provinces... Il n'a rien pour gérer le renvoi, rien pour bouger en bataille à part le RoW, il n'a aucun boost de force... en plus le deck pioche mal et perd de l'honneur à la vitesse de la lumière (Tsudo - 6 points ; Utogu - 5 points ; Ambush - 5 points ; Enticement - 3 points ; Power Corrupting - 3 points).

Bref, je comprends pas non plus.

[Bayushi Ju]

Je crois juste qu'on est pas des "Smart Players".

[Bayushi Ju]

Je trouve que ce post résume assez bien le deck :

"If you Reinforce them to an already resolved battle, they will go home bowed and it will likely save the province. That is good enough for me. And in tournaments I think you will find people will resolve battles in the wrong order frequently."

Dixit sa sainteté.

En gros si tu joues contre des buses, ça doit marcher !

[Bayushi Ju]

Alors ça, ça me troue :

A Dublin, CA, Kotei de 106 joueurs (top8 ou 16 je en sais pas) :

Résultats des rondes :

1 100 Reese, Bryan: Scorpion 21 avec le deck ci-dessus ou presque...
2 21 Swann, Roby: Crab 18
3 97 Ozaydin, Doruk: Scorpion 18
4 19 Barto, Aaron: Lion 18
5 79 Rives, Matt: Crane 18
6 60 Woo, Ben: Dragon 18
7 42 Fisher, Carmen: Unicorn 15
8 86 Tanada, Eugene: Lion 15

[Hojyn]

Comme quoi on est vraiment des noobs...

[Hojyn]

Je copie-colle ici un post de Bryan Reese sur Kuroiban, en réponse aux nombreuses critiques sur son deck.

C'est très complet, très intéressant et très instructif. On peut dire ce qu'on veut, le mec est balaise quand même.

First I think it is best I point out some facts before I get started into the meat of my post. There has been a lot of anger, vitriol, skepticism, and cynicism in both this thread (this thread seems to have been created to laugh at me) and other threads as of late. And it is not without good reason. Scorpion is environmentally at a low point that it has not been at for a long time. It sucks being at the bottom. Trust me, I know. I played nothing but Unicorn until Gold Edition. All I ask is that we leave this at the door. I come here and post this in a desire to help, as I do when I post decklists. Despite what some might say, I don’t post marginal decklists and claim they are something they are not. I certainly make marginal decks, including some marginal Scorpion decks, but I won’t post them usually, and if I do, I will be honest in their strengths, both isolated and environmental. I am honest when I give my opinions and I do not post anything I do not truly believe. I think it is important you know that.



I am well aware Scorpion is not environmentally strong right now. I think the clan is strong, but below others, and they have a tough time in the current environment. If the environment was not so heavy with a few clans, your tournament results could very well be different. I make no qualms about this and we are working on solutions towards this, some of which you will see as early as The Plague War. Please know I do not think my performance is somehow evidence that you guys all suck and have been wrong about everything, because the hard truth is there are lots of very good Scorpion players out there who have had fledgling success in CE. Scorpion is not where I would like it in the current environment.



That said, I do feel the sun is brighter than the internet is letting on and that Scorpion wins are a possibility in this environment. Looking at my results from Dublin last weekend, I played against two honor decks (both of which I defeated in under 45 minutes, neither went to time), one dishonor (Doruk) and the rest was military. Four of my opponents made the top 16 and one went 5-2, missing the cut. I played against 4PH Naked Lion, one of Scorpions worst matches. I did not have an easy time or a walk on my way to 7-0. I am not sure of all of Doruk’s matches, but if memory serves he went through at least two Spiders playing Oyo Seido, big follower Lion military 3 times, and two honor decks (again, neither went to time). He only lost by running into TST dueling which, if playing redirection and Enough Talk as his opponent was, is Scorpion’s worst match. If TST loses its top 8 and Doruk plays against Case, he has a serious chance of taking down the Kotei. Success is possible and I truly desire to help and see some W’s go up in the Scorpion column.



Success is multi-faceted though. First, you need good players. Scorpion has this in spades. Second, you need good decks that are capable of winning the event. Scorpion has struggled with this and when good decks have been submitted (i.e. The Oni Control deck or my SSK Magistrate dishonor/military at CE base), they have largely (from my personal experience) been ignored or dismissed. I know many still doubt that SSK deck, but I played it all weekend in casual games with the games top players at Gen Con and had an overwhelming positive record (don’t remember the exact number but it was something like 30-3, and yes, I did keep score). Perhaps if I had been able to play it at a tournament I could have given you some results to prove its worth so it would not have been dismissed as the Oni deck was at first. Third, you need to know how to pilot the deck. This is one of the goals I am shooting for in this thread (for my control deck). Seeing a decklist is often not good enough. I know when I look at decklists and people ask for advice, I can rarely help. My common response is “Let me pilot it and then I can give you my advice”. Knowing how to play a deck is as important as making the right deck.



First, you need to determine what you are playing against. This is often discernable within the first turn or two. Here is my advice for each style.



Honor

This game will be long, but you can easily win it. Key personalities in this game will be most of your guys. Your Onis will be your least important. Make sure you have 4-6 over the course of the game as they are going to finish things for you (4-6 can include Paneki and Power Corrupted Onis), but you do not need to hold them early. Your goal is to simply keep their big threats off of the table (Ningen, Bukita, Yodo, Hou Hou, Touch of Ice, etc.) by using Enitcement/Power Corrupting and Impossible Force. Test of Sincerity works perfectly well, just try to make sure War of Dark Fire is in effect or you have a Deeds and Words ready. If you can, have Hisoka destroy one of your own provinces so you can activate Counting House. Your key holdings will be Traveling Peddler, Deeds and Words, Corrupt Officials, and My Father’s Shrine. Of those, My Father’s Shrine is likely the most important. This game will be long and you will lose lots of honor. Pray at the Shrine every chance you can.



Fate side your key cards will be Test of Sincerity (for those nasty uniques, make sure you can negate their gain), Impossible Force, Enticement, Power Corrupting, Ambush, and Ring of the Void. Believe it or not, your regular dishonor cards (Unfortunate Incident, Pull the String) will be incidental at keeping the honor below 40, but will not be key themselves. I would not use Walking the Way to go get them unless very desperate. Your defensive cards will be least important but not outright useless. Outer Walls is probably the worst of them, but Settling the Homeless will get your Oni out of bad situations and The Direct Approach can stop guys from being able to perform actions.



As I mentioned earlier, you will be playing a drawn out game. Do not discard important people early in an effort to blow through to your other cards, such as Kazunori or Hisoka. Jutsushi, for example, sees little use this game, but make sure to not discard him as later you will want to Ambush and you don’t want to use any Ambushes until you have all three Jutsushi’s in play, unless you absolutely cannot help it. Try to hold onto your easy non-Kiho strategies to play until you can Walk for Void. Cards such as Unfortunate Incident and Pull the String are the bets ways to get Void into play. Also remember that Ambush does not create an attack phase, so any strategy played during an Ambush (such as Outer Walls and Settling the Homeless) count as being played in the action phase.



Another key to this match is playing quickly, but not so quick you make mistakes. Much of what you do is routine. Play this match over and over in preparation so that when you face it in a tourney, you don’t have to make brand new decisions, you just have to remember what your testing says to do. Playing quickly will insure you do not go to time. My two games vs. honor (both of which were the deck that took second place, once vs. Ian, the guy who got second place) took about 40 minutes and about 20 minutes (the first time I got a very slow draw).



Don’t attack too soon. When playing against the honor decks, don’t attack until late game, unless you can kill/bow their entire board. Attacking with your Onis when he has able defenders is a sure way to get them dueled, Consumed by Five Fires, etc. When I played against the CoT honor deck, I left 3-6 Onis unbowed most turns. Then, after I had eliminated his threats, I sent 6 Onis over to start stomping provinces. Just because you have 21 Force in Onis it does not mean it is safe to attack. Remember, they are better at fighting than you.



Dishonor

One of the good points about Scorpion’s performance right now is not much dishonor is out there. In turn, this has caused a lot of players to remove their meta for dishonor. Now is a great time to take full advantage of this. My friend played a Crab Dueling deck and took out Enough Talks only to lose to two Scorpion decks. As dishonor is one of your tougher match-ups, this is good news for us as well. It is tough not because it is unwinnable, but rather because we have less direct dishonor than standard dishonor decks. On top of this, our control package (Onis) is not a smart play to bring in. Our key Personalities this game are ones which cause honor loss, namely Hisoka and Kazunori. Shigeru is great as well. Be careful about Yoshihara because she cannot seppuku. However, she does cause honor losses and she can cast Walking the Way, which are going to be your key fate card. Try to buy guys for full if you can, keeping your honor up. This actually holds true regardless of the type of deck you are playing against. Bayushi’s Guidance is important in this match to get rid of their key uniques. Your key holdings will be Deeds and Words, Traveling Peddler, Corrupt Officials (canceling their Deeds and Words), and My Father’s Shrine. You should be digging to get to all of these key cards. Jutsushis are nice, but pitch them to cycle to your important cards.



Your key fate cards are going to be Unfortunate Incident and Pull the String. Ambush/seppuku is nice with a Jutsushi or 3 in play. Walking the Ways will be key to get your Unfortunate Incidents. The Direct Approach will be oddly useful at stopping their key Personality for the turn. The rest of your cards will mainly be tools to bring your honor below theirs to UI bomb them.



Your main goal in this match should be to keep your honor high until you can UI bomb them. At that point play Enticements, Ambushes, and Power Corruptings to drop below them and UI bomb them out.



Enlightenment

Enlightenment will play a lot like military. Your main goal should be to avoid opposed battles so they cannot play Fire. If they are enlightenment, they will likely be playing mostly Monks or Shugenja, which means they will not be able to seppuku. In this match you should cause as much honor loss as fast as possible. This match should likely not end in Enlightenment, so you probably won’t have to really worry about it. Mostly likely it will end in them winning militarily or you dishonoring them out.



Military

This will be the other big match-up you will need to know inside and out. It is also multi-faceted, and you will need to play differently vs. different clans. I will do my bets to break this down into the most important matches.



High PH military – This mostly includes Lion, as they can gain a lot of honor from their guys and have a lot of Force. However, despite that, this is a very winnable match. Doruk won at least three games vs. Lion (never losing one) and I beat a Lion deck which ran all of their 4 PH guys and had an amazing draw (turn 1 double Copper Mine, turn 2 four holdings, turn 3 onwards was 3-4 guys each turn). The key is to get to the mid game. If you do this, your onboard control will be too much for them. You can even dishonor them out (that is how I beat the Lion player). A big key to remember is that a lot of honor loss can come from killing their guys dishonorably. Killing a dishonorable 4 PH guy is almost another UI. Your key Personalities in this particular match will be Utogu no Oni. He kills dishonorable Lion Personalities like no other. Defending and killing, then evacing, or Reinforcing their Personality to fight him alone will create great control and cause a lot of honor loss over the course of the game.



Big Follower and Big Guy military – This will be played similar to other military matches, except Utagu no Oni will not be that important and Tsudo no Oni will be very important. Do not be afraid to buy Tsudo turn 2. In fact, it is a very good play a lot of the times. Remember, if you make it to the mid-game, your chance of winning the game goes up dramatically. If buying Tsudo turn 2 stalls him one or two turns, that is one or two turns closer to the mid-game. Also, people do not expect Scorpion dishonor to run Reinforce the Gates. That surprise factor can win you the game turn two when they assume their Sneak/Imperial Elite Guard will protect them vs. Tsudo.



Cavalry – This is namely Unicorn, though Unicorn decks these days tend to play a lot of big infantry guys, such as Tamago and Tatsuma. While people like to theorize that the turn 2 Civility/Tatsuma out of Utaku Plains will crush this deck, the reality is that one Test of Sincerity will all but win you the game when they do this. To fight off Cavalry, you will need to establish on board defense fast to supplement your presenceless defense. Reinforcing the Gates to bring their big Cav guy to face your Tsudo no Oni can be quite devastating. You will lose a province or two, but as long as you stabilize, you should be fine. Again, try to bring the game into the mid-game.



Blitz – You do not see much blitz these days, but if you do run into it, just use the same tactics. Bring out your board defense and maintain control on the game. Even if they are taking provinces, if you can stall them until mid-game, you will be doing well.



General Military – Against military in general, getting out your defense early and quick will be key. Buying a turn 2 Oni will be common. Your main goal will be to make it to the mid game. Kill off as many guys as efficiently as you can to stall their attacks until you can set up your on board defense. Once you set that up you gain control of the attacks and usually the game. Your key Personalities in this game will be your Oni (either Tsudo or Utagu, depending on the size of the units you are facing) and your defense (Jutsushi, Komiya, Yoshihara). Kazunori and Hisoka will be nice to get into play, but first you should focus on defense. Don’t try to race a military deck by trying to dishonor them faster than they can take your provinces. You will likely lose that race. Your key holdings will be your card draw, Traveling Peddler and Counting House. Deeds and Words as well as Corrupt Officials are nice, but not essential.



Your key fate cards are again going to be your defense. Your honor loss will be nice to try and win the game once you reach mid-game, but first you need to defend yourself. This is also where your battle suite comes in. Reinforce the Gates and Discrentionary Valor are big here. Defend with an Oni, Reinforce if necessary, kill a unit, evac. Most decks will not be able to kill your Oni. Usually they have to move it home (which is fine) or bow it (which is fine). One neat little trick is this. If they send an army to attack and you have two lethal Onis, block with one against them and one elsewhere. Almost by default they will resolve the opposed battle first. If they don’t Sneak, kill and evac. Then, Reinforce another guy over to your other Oni and get another kill. These cards all working in tandem can add up to a lot of free kill, sometimes even dishonorable kill if they were forced to attack through Jutsushi (which they often have to do). They key, which I cannot stress enough, is set up your defenses first, dishonor second. Also, be aware that depending on their seppuku, you may need to adjust your strategy. I generally try to play seppuku effects first on key turns, and then react to your opponents decisions. If they take the hits, try to dishonor them out. If they seppuku, try and clear the board and swing with your Oni. In the tournaments, I won two of my games through military, and took two provinces in a third. I was able to clear a Mantis player’s board and take two provinces. I eventually dishonored him out, but his slowed up Dynasty production allowed me to retain control of the game.



Wow, this is the definition of TL;DR. But for those of you who did stick through it, I hope this guide helps. I am not here to pretend I proved that Scorpion is broken and you guys have just missed it. I know this is not true. I am here trying to help and I played the Scorpion deck at Dublin to try and help as results always improves confidence. Let’s get some W’s in Scorpion’s column before the Kotei season is over.

Decklist : http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=244&t=82980

[Bayushi Ju]

Franchement, j'ai testé.
Je le jouerais ce WE mais c'est assez instable et si les gens connaissent le deck c'est super dur de gagner.

[Hojyn]

N'empêche, je ne sais pas si tu as eu le courage de tout lire, mais je trouve qu'il donne beaucoup de conseils concrets pour jouer le deck, c'est très intéressant.

J'adore quand il recommande de faire Hisoka sur soi-même contre un jeu honneur pour activer Counting House. C'est assez retors et vraiment bien vu !

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